I thought all you "old" pilots (and anyone else) were grumpy

danny

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So, it all goes quiet and none of the usual gripes and complaints we are all so fond of espousing appear to have been forthcoming. Are we really going to let the current generation Z and generation Alpha have all the say? Where are our moans and groans about all the cancel culture and the "if you're not Woke you're broke" attitudes that are swamping our 'style'?
 

PJ747

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Not quite within the category of a grumpy old pilot Danny, but one of my favourite writers is P J O'Rourke. He's a true wordsmith, very smart, very funny and very acerbic. I'm currently reading "How the hell did this happen?", his commentary on the build up and outcome of the 2016 US elections.
Also, for those that enjoyed "Chickenhawk" all those years ago, read "Apache" by Ed Macy. Couldn't put it down.
So now it's a grumpy old pilots literature club! AND...edit to add..for those that have enjoyed the output of John Le Carre, Len Deighton, Graham Greene etc., go to Mick Herron and read the Jackson Lamb sextet sequentially. The dialogue is sharp and often excruciatingly funny, and the plot lines always leave you guessing. Right, I'll get my coat.
 
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danny

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Not quite within the category of a grumpy old pilot Danny, but one of my favourite writers is P J O'Rourke. He's a true wordsmith, very smart, very funny and very acerbic. I'm currently reading "How the hell did this happen?", his commentary on the build up and outcome of the 2016 US elections.
Also, for those that enjoyed "Chickenhawk" all those years ago, read "Apache" by Ed Macy. Couldn't put it down.
So now it's a grumpy old pilots literature club! AND...edit to add..for those that have enjoyed the output of John Le Carre, Len Deighton, Graham Greene etc., go to Mick Herron and read the Jackson Lamb sextet sequentially. The dialogue is sharp and often excruciatingly funny, and the plot lines always leave you guessing. Right, I'll get my coat.
Oh yes... a Grumpy literature club. Chickenhawk... what a great read that was. I'll have to look up Ed Macy and Apache. (y)
 
John LeCarre and L:en Deighton were two of my all time favourites. Another book I really enjoyed was, 'Beyond the Blue Horizon' by Alexander(?) Frater, he follows the old BOAC flying boat route to Sydney but by more modern equipment!
 

Howard

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Oh yes... a Grumpy literature club. Chickenhawk... what a great read that was. I'll have to look up Ed Macy and Apache. (y)
I loved Chickenhawk, especially when the 'Special Forces' guys give an hilarious demonstration on how to deal with a snake in the hooch'...I read another similar to Chickenhawk ( can't remember the name, it might be in the loft) about the scout helicopters guys who would fly just over the canopy of the jungle, in order to draw fire on themselves, for a waiting gunship a thousand feet above them to deliver the 'coup de grace' on the unfortunate VC below...They would literally smell the VC out.
 

PJ747

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Another great read on experiences during the Vietnam war is by Marshall Harrison (first name not rank) who was a Forward Air Controller (who got shot down and eventually heli vacced out of the jungle). It's called "A lonely kind of war".
 

Howard

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Another great read on experiences during the Vietnam war is by Marshall Harrison (first name not rank) who was a Forward Air Controller (who got shot down and eventually heli vacced out of the jungle). It's called "A lonely kind of war".
That rings a bell, I think I read that too....They were using Cessna 337 Skymasters for FAC.
 

PJ747

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Correct. I gave away my first copy (always the way with your favourite books) and replaced it recently after some searching, not cheap because copies are becoming more scarce.
 

CR2

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Danny, reading Chickenhawk as a teenager was an eye opener. The post script of what happened after he came home is in my mind to this day.
 
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